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nachogrande
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30 million rednecks with higher powered rifles, 4x4 vehicles, able to think and act independantly would put up a hell of a gorilla style fight. like the Vietnamese did to us and the Afghani's did to the Russians. but our camo patterns won't match. with good leadership, watch out.

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blackpowderscout
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The myth of the american colonist hiding behind the trees with his rifle and winning the war against the british is just that.....a MYTH! It took years for Washington to build a properly trained ARMY that was able to fight the British head and and win and it took a couple thousand FRENCH SOLDIERS and the FRENCH NAVY to really help.....

Kings Mtn would probably be the best example of what the two of you are talking about but those were guys who were hardened by years of brutal backcountry fighting, years of living under the specter of constant Indian attack. A trip to the woods a couple weekends a year isn't the same....

It all sounds good but it's not realistic to think that the few guys who actually would fight, those not too old, out of shape, and who were prepared to leave their families for god knows how long would put up much of fight against a modern army.

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M12Gunboy
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Thank God for the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 which "The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being:

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:

1. Multiple Sale Reports. Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.[8]
2. Suspect Guns. All guns "suspected" of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes (ATF's own examples), individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms (including collectors of older firearms rarely used in crime), and dealers with "improper" record keeping. May include guns “observed” by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere. Reported as 34,807 in 2010. [8]
3. Traced Guns. Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception.[8]This is a registration record which includes Name and Address, height, weight, date of birth, place of birth, drivers license number and Social Security number of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.
4. Out of Business Records. Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968. [9]
5. Theft Guns. Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010.[8] Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional).[8] Does not have an interface to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

The National Firearms Act referred to above was enacted in 1968 which covers registration of Class III weapons and destructive devices (i.e. machine guns, silencers, short barreled rifles and shotguns, etc....)

Bottom line is they would have to repeal the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 to force registration of firearms on a federal level.

Now, some states have already passed laws NY and CA for example which are in complete contradiction of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 by the Federal Government. In NY if you want to possess a handgun it has to be registered. Not sure how these states were able to do that, but they have. CA has the same type registration after the 1994 Brady Bill was passed and all "Assault Style Weapons" required registration in CA along with handguns.

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